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Fruateo
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Nebulous symptoms and environmental toxins
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October 01, 2008, 01:07:16 pm »
This thread grew out of the Chronic Pain thread -
http://www.tappingforum.com/topic/1110.0/frustrated-and-in-pain-please-help.html
This new thread is a thread to discuss, toss ideas and further the understanding of many ills people have these days, where physicians seem to be helpless and lost too. Included but not limited to, are such things as
Chronic Pain syndromes, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, allergic reactions and oversensitivities
and other such nebulous and evasive things that more and more people suffer from. Headaches and more general pains, autoimmune issues, fatigue, allergic reactions and the like are symptoms of very many different diseases and toxic reactions.
There are lots of illnesses, causes and substances that cause similar symptoms. These symptoms are hard to understand and do anything about, short of covering the effects with drugs and pain-killers. This seems to be one of the reasons many people report don't getting any help from regular physicians. Western medicine is founded on science, it is proclaimed. This science attitude means that docs need certain criteria to discern that there is a disease. It they don't find any criteria, their logic tell them that there is nothing really wrong with you, except in your head maybe. Anti-depressants and remedies like that are prescribed. Does this heal anybody? No.
Many of us end up in sites like this one. We understand that there is a problem, but what is the problem?
With this thread I would like for us to address some probable causes regarding environmental toxins in regard to such symptoms, and how one may work with EFT and other means to help oneself.
I hope this thread will be stashed with useful info for anybody coming here with fatigues and related problems, and that they may find ideas and perspectives here that can help them on their jouney.
Dear friends, shall we?
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Fruateo
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Re: Nebulous symptoms and environmental toxins
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October 01, 2008, 02:01:28 pm »
We are often reminded in media about "scandals" from chemical compounds like DDT, PCB, heavy metals, xeno-estrogens, epoxies, etc etc etc. But when did your doctor ever start to ask you if you have had any contact with substances like this when you presesent your symptoms. I have yet to meet one. They are mostly not in the least interested in understanding the unique individual before them, as they have their statistical models of people. It is assumed a lot of things about you even before you enter the examining room, it would seem. So, what may we understand if we take chemicals and toxins into consideration?
My own medical journey started in the mid '80ies. A strange feeling of fatigue and the inability to lose wheight. Food was causing lots of problems and I experimented to find what I was allergic to, having had more or less constant diarrea since until quite recently. I even joined the Weight Watchers back then, and even though I followed the instructions to the T I didn't make very good progress. During the last 25 years, I have contracted more and more symptoms and illnesses, and I have now been out of commission for five years. My list of symptoms is like 50 items by now, ranging from "incurable diseases", to milder irritations like chronic headaches. I have looked for a common denominator for 25 years, and recently I found something that fits the description better than anything has ever done before - mercury poisoning from amalgam fillings.
SOME WORDS ON MERCURY
One of the most toxic base elements known is mercury. It is a heavy metal that has been used as medicine, and is still used in some ways, as preservative in vaccines for instance. There are those out there convinced that their autistic kids suffer from mercury poisoning through vaccines. Some studies show that patients that suffered from Alzheimer's disease have higher doses of mercury in their brain than people dying for other reasons.
Mercury is most dangerous as vapor, and mercury vapor is exactly what you will have in your mouth if you own amalgam fillings. There are a few things that will curb the effects. Selenium binds hard to mercury and seems to lessen the toxic effects. What you want is a mix of organic and inorganic selenium combined with vitamin E. Among things to avoid is flouride. Some countries, like the US apparently stuff fluoride into the drinking water. We in Europe are luckier, as 98% of our drinking water isn't contaminated with fluoride. If you use a tooth paste with fluoride, change to one without it. Next items on the list of things that erode amalgam fillings are coffee, tea and sour juices.
I will come back time and again to one of my pet peeves, and that is that anybody with symptoms like this need to learn a lot. You need to learn about your environment, about yourself and your habits and you need to find ways to know when you feel better or worse, to find out what is causing you trouble. Some of this may be done by muscle testing, but if you don't know how to do that, you'll need to start out the hard way. Anybody NOT having symptoms like this need to understand that this state is debilitating and needs to be addressed seriously. Even when EFT is applied it's not helpful to expect a miraculous healing in minutes (but be thankful if it does occur). It will take ingenuity and perseverance to deal with this.
HOW TO EFT ON AMALGAM FILLINGS
Sandi Radomski (who has been working professionally with allergies and energy medicine for years) says this. Hold your finger on one of your fillings and just tap the EFT points while you are tuned into the energy of it. How much and how long? I don't know. I try to do it a few times every day, to help the body learn that this substance is not a toy to be played with. I'll get back if I find out any other info contradicting that.
If you have a hard time holding on to the a filling, you may also write the name of the substance you want to work with on a slip of paper, and hold the paper in your hand while tapping. You say nothing, just tune into the energy of the substance.
The rest of the time I do some ordinary emotional tapping, but also "Even though mercury gives me (symptom)..." for the entire list of issues I have and think are related to the toxin.
Are there anybody else out there with similar symptoms (not necessarily mercury poisoning) who would like to do this process together as a group. That would add a lot to the learning process, I believe!
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tiranda
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Re: Nebulous symptoms and environmental toxins
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October 01, 2008, 04:25:16 pm »
I wanted to respond to this from Ferlie in the other (chronic pain) thread:
"Regarding detoxing from heavy metals, including mercury: In the companion parrot world, cilantro is often used to detox birds who have ingested metals (often from inappropriate toys) and it works a treat, not to mention tastes pretty dandy if you like cilantro. Cilantro is clinically proven in scientific studies to work, but it takes time and persistence and some people don't like the taste. You must use fresh cilantro, too, you can't use dried. Most folks make a sort of pesto of it and put it on bread, crackers, pasta, etc. I can probably find the recipe through my bird lists if anyone is interested. "
I wanted to relate an anecdote--a few years ago in the Washington Post there was a short article about Latino immigrants using the traditional medicines of local healers -- one woman had gotten something from a healer for her sick child and the preparation turned out to contain mercury--she took it to the doctor when she took the child in for a follow up and he had it analyzed. So she quit using it immediately once the doctor explained how mercury is poison, pure and simple.
But if cilantro helps, and it certainly is used a lot in Mexican food....Gives one to think. Of course to some people cilantro tastes like soap!
You know, Frutaeo, I should probably look into this filling thing more closely, starting with reading all you have posted here, because I have amalgam fillings from the age of 5, so they are 47 years old!!
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Fruateo
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Re: Nebulous symptoms and environmental toxins
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October 02, 2008, 11:38:43 am »
Please do, Tiranda. Do you have any of the often problems related to mercury and other environmental toxins? The list is too long to write here, so go to
http://www.mercurypoisoned.com/symptoms.html
and check it out. Only remember the symptoms are overlapping and may be caused by several different things.
After a few days of non-flouride tooth paste, selenium and tapping I feel smoother, more stable and I have less chronic pain. The wandering headache is sharper though - maybe just in contrast to the other sensations receding.
I just talked to a private lab about doing some tests, but it is costly, so I'll wait for the medical specialist I'm supposed to see shortly. And yesterday they found something on the ultra-sound of the thyroid that bothered the x-ray doc, so maybe there is some info to be had soon. Only a few hours before the ultra-sound I was yet again called a hypochondriac by an official... a little more tapping on the sadness, and I'll start laughing at them! The guy at the lab told me that the fluoride tooth paste and selenium issues is the exact right place to start, btw, if one has troubles like the ones mentioned.
MERCURY AND HYPOTHYROIDISM
Apparently mercury does things to the thyroid gland, and then things happen on the cellular level as well. The levels of thyroid hormones T3 and T4 may be ok in a blood sample - which is the way they do it in regular western medicine - but that doesn't matter when it comes to the
function of the cell
where the hormones are supposed to function. If mercury prohibits the function of the hormones, it doesn't matter if you have the "right" amount of them in the blood*. A better way to measure the function of the thyroid gland is to take a 24 hour urinary sample and have that checked. Another thing that won't cost you a lot of money, is to simply check your body temperature. Measure for one week from day two of the menstrual cycle. If it's below 37 degrees celcius, you have an under-function of the thyroid. If the temp is under 36,7 you probably suffer from hypothyroidism.
If you have a problem with your thyroid, ask yourself what may cause this imbalance. It's moste likely not the gland in itself, but something else bothering it.
(* A kind of metaphor comes to mind. It is as if you're a sports journalist trying to forecast a match and says "everything looks good" because all members of both teams are gathered in the locker rooms. But what you don't know is that somebody has blocked the entrance to the arena, so both teams will lose by WO as they will never show up.)
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Ferlie
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Re: Nebulous symptoms and environmental toxins
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October 05, 2008, 10:53:29 pm »
Excellent start to an important thread!
Here is one recipe for the cilantro detox pesto:
http://www.naturodoc.com/library/treatments/removing_heavy_metals.htm
Namaste.
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Fruateo
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Re: Nebulous symptoms and environmental toxins
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October 08, 2008, 09:30:44 am »
Yesterday I listened to a quite famous physician in Sweden - Christina Doctare. She's been "top doc" for several years, working in the most authoritative institutions and had a few words to say about western medicine and it's attitudes towards healing. Not a bunch of very nice words, as it were. She herself got "incurably" ill, happened for other reasons to be in India when she learned about ayurveda and put herself into an ayurvedic hospital and got cured. She is now spending a lot of time travelling around telling all who want to listen about the importance for western medicine to stop and listen to the influence from outside.
I don't know if she knows about EFT (but I intend to mail her about i), but she have had a few revelations that explains some principles of either kind of energy medicine, I believe. She had healed at instances when she discovered and accepted a new understanding of truth about herself. She told us about crying in churches and working with people in trouble and her healing journey. (She was the one putting a focus on ethnic murder and the sexual abuse of women in the Balkan war in the '90ies when she worked for the UN there btw.)
So how is this related to EFT and environmental toxins, you wonder? Well, isn't it so, that EFT gives us the means of uncovering our inner truth, and isn't that one of the premises for healing? Just a thought. When we reach the new level of truth, the energy heals. A person not being true to itself or following it's true path will have all sorts of problems. A person healed, by any means, will change things in life, either if it's a lot of stuff like changing diet, moving, ending relationships, or more internal things as changing attitudes about life in general. So, is healing nothing else but coming closer to ones
own
Truth? Not the surrounding variety of noise that outer sources tell us is The Truth, as if there were some kind of universal truth that could unify all ideas, opinions, experiences or values as in "One Truth to rule them all".
To see reality in this light, I can see why I felt much better as soon as I found mercury to be the Truth for me. Even knowing one more step on the path to the Truth is healing in itself. I think I'll tap a few truth issues and see what happens with the pain.
This would also explain another thing about EFT (and any other method), that you
let EFT work through you, not by you
. The receiving party doesn't need the therapist's version of truth, it needs to unravel and discover a new truth about itself. That's why "helping" others without their consent may also be inappropriate, because the helper is trying to push it's own truth upon the other person.
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Fruateo
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Re: Nebulous symptoms and environmental toxins
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October 08, 2008, 09:35:16 am »
And thanks Ferlie for the link! You are, as always, most loving and kind. I'm doing my best to learn from you
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Fruateo
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The cilantro recipe - difference or not between cilantro and coriander?
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October 10, 2008, 07:14:18 am »
The cilantro recipe makes my taste buds water. One question though; the recipe says cilantro is the same as coriander and chinese parsley, but the Cilantro (culantro) I find in herbal books are of totally different families. Do they still have the same effect? I haven't found any info on this yet.
Coriander is easy, but rather expensive, to be found around here. Cilantro on the other hand, I hadn't heard about. It is in the seed catalogue though, so we'll have to buy it this spring and culture our own stuff.
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tiranda
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Re: Nebulous symptoms and environmental toxins
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October 15, 2008, 04:36:50 pm »
http://www.johnnyseeds.com/Assets/products/104014961301603.pdf
This says culantro is "a lesser-known herb with a similar flavor and longer harvest time than Cilantro." nothing about medicinal/detox properties.
http://nutritionwithsonia.com/blog/?p=72
Slightly different recipe, some background on the detox effects.
Sonia's blog entry also has this: "The name for the long solid leaf (with those tiny teeth) shaped like the blade of a knife is called culantro also known as ‘spiny cilantro’. The flavor is stronger and more pungent than the other variety, which I was familiar with before, small very soft leaves called cilantro. "
A-
HA!
"Be it the hardy tooth edged blade-shaped leaf or the delicate lacey leaf, they are both powerful detoxifiers." (in Sonia's blog entry)
So looks like culantro is an option, Fruateo! you might want to do a bit more research of course, but this looks promising!
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Fruateo
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Re: Nebulous symptoms and environmental toxins
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October 16, 2008, 08:06:53 am »
Seems the confusion isn't limited to my own poor self
I will go on investigating.
A quick take on the tapping issue. I have tried to tap for a few days and then not tap for a few days to discern what of everything I have implemented is actually doing the job. It seems that all the things are doing good, but
not
tapping isn't an option anymore.
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tiranda
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Re: Nebulous symptoms and environmental toxins
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November 08, 2008, 09:05:57 pm »
Quote from: Fruateo on October 16, 2008, 08:06:53 am
Seems the confusion isn't limited to my own poor self
I will go on investigating.
Did you try culantro yet? Oh, I guess you have to plant the seeds first! I tried the cilantro pesto during October and found that my fillings did not ache as formerly when I got some sinus stuff going on. Weird. I have been using some other stuff too but I think the cilantro pesto did the most as it was the one I used most consistently. Could be placebo, I didn't get a measurement before I started it.
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