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PJ
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« on: September 25, 2008, 02:36:47 am »

this question might be a little weird so please bear with me. I used to be a devout Christian for many years of my life. i was taught that the devil can sometimes try to influence us and tempt us. I started to even "feel" the devil inside me and influence feelings in me. im no longer a christian because for so many reasons it just wasnt something that I 100percent believed in. but that is another story. sometimes i still feel these things that i used to think was the devil even though it has been years since i have prayed and have been to church. what i want to know is has anyone ever heard of this and can EFT cure this? Sorry again if this sounds weird or doesn't make sense
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« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2008, 03:29:28 am »

You can use tapping to go to work on your beliefs.  If you're not sure how to go about doing this, Magnus' ebook gives you everything you need to know Smiley
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« Reply #2 on: September 26, 2008, 05:43:45 am »

I think I know what your talking about, like where you feel an incredible sense that you're not in control and the feeling it self is so strong that you could only classify it as being something else. Like a demon or something trying to control your actions, the devil trying to influence you yet you can't resist, etc.

I am still christian because, even though I went through may phases of people talking me down (in the church and out side) doing what the J man did, by hanging out with positive sources and focusing on peace actually has worked.

But anyways, I found it's just a HUGE sense of guilt that hit's it's apex and the apex is what your feeling. Pretty much you got to the point through a mental trigger that caused the painful emotion (that makes you feel like you have no control) to be at it's max.

I found using the sedona method with Tapping works well on getting rid of the lack of control feeling/ putting the situation in a perspective you can understand.

Basically you just ask your self, "Can I just welcome in the way this makes me feel and just accept the fact I feel that way?"

And sit for a second and think about that. Then ask your self if you could just let it go and would you, then when would you.


At the end it should change the way you feel about it, to becomming more accepting of it.

Well, when you get to that point it's much easier to externalize the misc. feeling and then you can tap it away wayyyyy easier.

Instead of it feeling overwelming it can end up feeling like that p'ssd at work feeling.  Smiley

But when you just keep asking your self those questions it can make the situation far easier to tap away.

I don't know a whole bunch about the sedona method, I just used the demo and it worked. But I do know that the sedona method makes things REALLY EASY to accomplish. Why not use it with tapping to enhance tapping and get rid of issues super fast?
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« Reply #3 on: September 26, 2008, 02:26:20 pm »

I'm not christian, but I live in a nominally christian country and was never baptized. I did hang out with christian friends a lot though and they of course tried to "save" me. I went to mass and seminars etc, but pulled out as I could feel how I was pressed into a form I didn't like. Like the Devil doing things to me, while I did interpret it to be other things, among many others my subconscious starting to play the drama queen.

During recent years I have formed another way of looking at The Devil. Any normal person is born with four major feelings; joy, fear, anger and sadness. From these four feelings all our other feelings derive. We learn new feelings by being close to other people as we are transfering feelings through our energy body to our surrounding. I belive that "The Devil is in us" when we are caught up in our negative emotions. Church has used that as a means to control the masses - that the bad feeling is induced from the outside by a terrible force and thus prevented individuals from growing and maturing. The use of fear to control the masses is still used today in other realms but the religious, and the Devil goes under different names.  I assume - right or wrong - that working with those negative feelings will reduce the feeling of having a demon inside. One other aspect of church is the power in Shame and Guilt. If you have any indication that these two elements play into this, do some tapping and forgive yourself for those feelings.

During the last years I have really felt "a demon" in my head. A force moving around, pressing and pounding, but recent explorations points at environmental toxins. Mercury is the head suspect in this case as it may cause effects just like this. If environmental toxins is something that triggers your feelings, I don't know. All I can do is present the idea. One thought does occurr to me though. Mercury was used a lot as medicine and for other reasons in medieaval times. Maybe The Devil is just how they interpreted mercury poisoning in those times. It may well have contributed to the creation of The Devil anyway.



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« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2008, 05:38:52 am »

My Shaman would say, if you hear a voice/s in your head, ask it three times, "Are you here from Creator to do good by Creator?" According to her, and it has worked for me, no evil or bad-meaning thing in the spirit realm can answer yes, or lie, three times in a row.  If it answers yes, then you can assume for that moment that it means good and is sent to do good.  If it's something else, such as a voice that's part of your head/thoughts/feelings then it will respond to EFT just as any other aspect/feeling in you will.  Just one student's take on "voices."

As for the "devil," I think that's just another word for our ego-voice which does so much to push us astray with fear and anger as the whips to drive us.  And of course all those willing people to say, oh, yes, there is the devil and if you don't do what I say "he" will take you to hell... unless of course you give me your money, time, strength, talents, life...   

Turn your face to the light and don't fear the shadow that falls behind you.  Dark or light, it's all Divine, the work of Creator for us to lean on and trust. 

Namaste.
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« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2008, 05:19:39 pm »

Im a Christian and i read the bible, maybe you remember the passage of the bible where there was a person posessed by the devil and that person was literaly crazy? roaming the cementeries and hurting people?, or do you remember when Jesus came to that person and liberated him of that devil, and those devils that where in him went inside some pigs and the possessed pigs commited suicide by jumping down a cliff?, so you dont have to worry because if you where possessed you would be as crazy and un-controlable as these examples. You can allways seek the help of God though, seek him with all your hearth and youll find him.

In the bible the devil came to Eva and Adan, when God told them not to eat the fruit of a certain tree, the devil came and said the oposite thing than God, seducing them to disobey God, thats because devils are against God, the angels are the ones who obey God, not the devils who do the oposite, they will lie to you three and a thousand times if necesary to keep you away from God and his will.
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« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2008, 09:36:03 pm »

Hello PJ,

I was raised as a christian, also in a very christian-centric country/society. I had a close personal 'relationship' with god until after my 20s. My logic and observing the world around me did not adhere to the notion of a christian god however and I started becoming a bit more distant. Then at some point some bad things happened in my life and I became angry at god. Then I became hateful of religion, I used to say "there is no god" but you can't be angry at something which doesn't exist, can you? Then I was fearful of punishment because I was angry at god... and so the circle of anger/guilt/fear continued.

Here's how I successfully dealt with this...

I discovered that we are not really one unit inside, we're made up of different parts... parts of ourselves at different stages of our lives, and parts of us taking the roles of our parents, of our friends, of our teachers and so on. We're a community, each and every one of us, in our own mind. If you believed in god for many years before, then it's most likely that some parts of you still keep that belief. If you believed the devil will try to influence you, then some parts of you probably still do, even if you are currently trying to change a way of thinking. If you decide to be angry or struggle or do it forcefully, you might find it difficult to do so, and you will end up fighting with yourself.

So, I decided I can make peace with it and stop fighting and let the parts of me realize that it's safe. I knew logically that the christian god idea does not stand very well in my view of the world. But the feeling of god watching, judging, punishment etc are still there. So I can peacefully have both worlds for some time. I got back my little cross and carried it with me so that the christian parts of me would feel safe. I would read some prayers from time to time. I would not believe them fully, but I supported the parts of me that did. Besides, prayer is a form of meditation, it does good. I would sometimes read a christian book... here's the nice thing... it would feel ridiculous at times and I was having a laugh... but I wasn't angry! Or struggling. I would apologise to god or jesus for my ignorance, even if I didn't believe it. Now christianity has faded from my thinking a lot better than any other times in the past. I feel this is really peaceful and healthy because there was no war, and I am not being attacked by angry thoughts and guilt like I used to. And if I ever feel the need I need to pray or ask for help from god... I will just go and do so!

And it really helps if you use EFT in the whole process, smoothing out whatever relationship you may have with god... and enhance your prayers with EFT (tapping while you pray for example)... it should all help.

I hope this helps you!
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« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2008, 05:45:01 am »

Evan, what a wonderful post!  You took something potentially divisive and destructive and by embracing it in all its aspects you defused it without harming yourself or anyone around you- even your relationship with god has survived!  That is truly wonderful. I think it shows, yet again, that fighting ourselves or others or ideas or almost anything at all is really not a useful way to proceed but that by "going with the flow" as it used to be said we can flow with the universe instead of against it and eventually come to quiet waters where there is peace and contentment.  And all that turbulence takes us there- if we don't fight it! 

My shaman says that the universe is all about flow, that Creator is big enough to love and accept and forgive everything and everyone, no exceptions.  Isn't that a familiar phrase? 

I think it's humans who have put an angry face on god/creator/source so that they can control each other, take power from each other, etc. 

Anyway, lovely post and wonderful to read. 

Namaste.
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« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2008, 02:11:33 pm »

Yes, Evan, a good description!

I have done some more thinking on guilt and shame. From what I have understood, as an outsider, these feelings are very important in christianity, aren't they? Some people even seem to believe they are good and that society wouldn't work if they weren't there. I tend to disagree on that and can only add, that working with my own beliefs of guilt and shame has helped a lot. And that was only mainstream agnostic shames and guilts... So, using EFT to overcome any internal conflicts ought to do a lot of good.
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